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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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yes it's the skeptic zone for friday the

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13th of may 2011 show number 134

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Richardson is here with you from Sydney

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Australia in this week's show we

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continue our reports from Sydney's first

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skeptic camp with none other than good

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old Maynard those people on Twitter I

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was people on Twitter you could do worse

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than to follow Maynard and his twitter

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handle is Maynard com au Maynard c om a

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you and following Maynard's reports from

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skeptic amp it's the welcome return of

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the think tank yes it's been a long time

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since we've had a think tank it's back

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again joining us this week on the think

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tank our doctor a chi mei none of course

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and jason brown right from his great

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success from organizing skeptic camp

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thank you to those people who have

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written to me wishing me well i'm almost

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better it's as one of these rotten cold

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sort of things that more or less over in

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a week and then just decides to hang

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around for a while yeah so i'm almost

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almost there almost better it must build

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that echinacea and psychic vibrations

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i've been getting lately well as i look

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at my calendar i see that it's scarcely

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a week to go before the end of the world

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there's a funny people in America family

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radio you know I was driving today in

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is the major artery out of the city

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heading west and stagger me there's a

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giant billboard from these people saying

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twenty first of may end of the world

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return of Jesus Christ or whatever they

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think wow I mean isn't the same in your

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city if you live in a major city around

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the world are they have billboards

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popping up from these people where the

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hell are they getting the money from Wow

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and what a waste the money it is too

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terrible if the world really will end on

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the twenty first of May then this is the

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second last skeptic zoned this is a bit

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of a worry hmm but it make next week's

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show really good yeah I look to it I'm

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gonna go away and think of that I'm

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going to have some nice tea and honey to

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soothe my voice and i'll let you enjoy

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here's my not spooky action at a

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welcome to skeptic am Sydney 2011 ever

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get to camp Australia look in here we

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are i'm here with alan conradi and que

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tal way now now we're just all looking

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at what's going to be on this afternoon

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after lunch and it's pretty hard to

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choose in it yes it is there's a lot

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going on well what's looking good to you

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just at the moment ah well introducing

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women to skepticism and how do we solve

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a problem like that but that looks good

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and think about it like a musical yes

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and there's little musical notes written

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on the photo posted note but I think

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though the question is quite serious

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really pretty good that that's been very

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serious it like would you be asking

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questions at that one and now you're the

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kind of person is going to be asking

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questions at the end of most of lectures

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are seeing today

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I haven't actually been asking questions

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of this I'm really from more the Atheist

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movement the skeptics movement and it's

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all quite similar there's the things

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that are a bit new for me so what would

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you be an anti fears would be described

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as that I could be described as a whole

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lot of things but we probably need three

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hours to discuss it fully maybe it does

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well enough for me I will stand by the

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term I'd like to say it's a broad church

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but that's probably the wrong word to

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use it somebody came up with the broad

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tint the other day maybe that'll work

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look at your looking here and like

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you've been given some you haven't

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talked earlier didn't you I suddenly did

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restructuring that was crazy that was

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batshit crazy um yeah yeah you know

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lines of evidence but when you put it

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like that it's hard to disagree well no

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boom I mean I don't want to like slander

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any particular practitioner but I had

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never heard that by putting up a balloon

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into your nasal cavity and inflating it

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that that could fix all these things

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aren't that that I mean I've seen a rake

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reiki I thought yeah I mean I mean yeah

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and i have been putting a balloon up

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substance out of the balloon first i

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think that's how it came around in the

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beginning yeah now you said that the

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people could there were some

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significantly negative side effects of

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it but they're fairly rare so does that

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mean it's a relatively safe alternative

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practice it really comes down to your

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definition of safe like I said it is

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rare that these side effects a scene but

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when the side effects are around your

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asphyxiating babies and basically

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blowing up people's noses is not a very

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the rarity and you know the danger I

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don't think balance each other out i

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think that the danger is a lot worse

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than though yeah i just when you said it

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that i mean i don't know i just you know

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be careful what you're doing the babies

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that learns ticking balloons up their

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noses for people who aren't registered

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doctors shouldn't be doing that yeah

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absolutely and the chiropractic

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profession does have a history of doing

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terrible things to a bee's so thanks

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really interrupted you talking to three

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people don't worry I'll make sure you

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never have friends again we were

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interrupted by the cupcake contest well

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be one of the strangest ideas ever to

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cure them of something that they can't

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industry does have a history of harming

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children you know there was the famous

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child's neck trying to fix its hearing I

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believe with chiropractic manipulation

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effects were extremely rare because

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saying that when they do happen they're

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pretty bad but what about the safety

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element to be considered if people who

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don't get normal treatments and they go

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filter need ones and Delayne regular

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treatment well one of the case studies

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a woman who had a septum was fractured

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phone in her nose and that case the

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woman had seen a proper facial

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reconstructive surgeon you know a

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legitimate doctor who would you know

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problem but then she went and got this

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chiropractic treatment and ended up

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ruining her nose who needed a hole

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surgery afterwards absolutely terrible

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case Wow what is it what is it called I

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mean what it was this one this is a new

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one I've never heard of this balloon up

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the nose one but what is it technically

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called it's called neuro cranial

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restructuring NCR and you've only heard

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got a guess that's where it came from

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fuzzy on when it was actually developed

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the the balloon up the nose the

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bilateral nasal specific therapies what

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and that's been around since the 1930s

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so it's been there for a long time and I

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found it very interesting that a lot of

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the very well credentialed skeptics that

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this now you usually these people have

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different crazy therapies but this is

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one that seems to have just gone under

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the radar and up the nose of everybody

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going to start research into the neuro

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to say the balloon up the bum will have

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to meet next month yeah yeah but it's

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very difficult to get that sort of thing

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well we're just big talking about lots

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of things it's kept camp today and one

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of the things is why don't we see more

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women in the skeptic movement and here's

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someone who may have an answer for us

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who we got here all the way from our

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nation's capital hi I'm love so so but

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from your open discussion you we weren't

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lecturing anybody we're having an open

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discussion in the small room about why

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there aren't more women in the skeptical

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movement and did we seem to come to any

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sort of consensus or even in kind of

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answer um I think that the conversation

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developed into not big enough women in

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technology in science and in general is

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it that where you know women aren't

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predisposed to thinking critically is

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that something we need to address is of

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course they don't have generally big

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egos and want to push themselves in and

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be hey i'm a celebrity skeptic do you

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think that could be part of it because

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that was brought up that you know men

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like putting themselves forward and

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women don't seem to do that as much um

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a lot of women can feel a little bit

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intimidated by the big egos in the room

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and that's why they're not speaking up

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although during that discussion I

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noticed love the men shut the hell up

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and let the women do the talking in your

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discussion yes after someone pointed

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that out there mmm although I thought

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that was going on because I was

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different in hearing what the women had

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to say and and do you think we actually

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kept like you said do you think we

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actually got an answer there I think

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it's such a vague kind of question that

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there is no real answer but just asking

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it's important then I think it's going

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to be a continuing debate the many many

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years to come I don't think we're going

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to find a definitive answer any time

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soon so how did you get into the

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movement smarty pants I used to be a

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believer of a lot of interesting things

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and it was a gradual realization that

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science was science in the real world is

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far more interesting well you got my

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attention when you started by saying

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some of the favorite shows you like

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watching which is the ones i like

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watching two and i think i know

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skeptical podcast we should bring these

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two light fact or faked is a great show

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on the universal channel on Foxtel and

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you know sometimes they just overlook

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the obvious solution just to get to what

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they've got to do but sometimes they

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actually they go oh yeah that's just

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something but what do you think of the

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show I think it's really good and that

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the fact that they're actually willing

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to experiment and try and make a UFO

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like

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the video that they're presented with

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that's fantastic they're actually

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showing that you know it is actually a

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big balloon rather than little green men

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from outer space yeah and your podcast

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mysterious world which is at a

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sydney-based podcast they are really

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good at telling the story they're really

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good production they have really good

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pond safe music in it as far as a

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production standard goes and the

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storytelling goes it's quite good as we

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fantastic and I love listening to it it

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helps me hone my critical thinking

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skills by being able to listen to the

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stories and think you think about it

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correctly mmm and what's the one area of

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what you would call whew that really

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gets your goat Oh whenever you see it

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because you did mention how you had a

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falling out of your previous work place

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over astrology is there's that the thing

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that annoys you most um I do like I yeah

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I'm not a very argumentative person so

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it's very hard for me to listen to

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people talk about whoo and I'm not able

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to you to argue back because I'm trying

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to be too nice but you just basically

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don't what you want to be polite you

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don't want to start a fight you don't

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want to destroy their of icons yes

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exactly Wow and do you think maybe

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that's why the women are skeptical

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movement of I mean but then again I hear

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a lot of yelling on the view and the

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circle and Oprah you're a lot of yelling

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I hear a lot of women arguing but you do

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hear a lot of war on those choice as

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well that's true actually you ever

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written a letter to the producer of the

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circle going why you got that on a thing

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like that well no but after the

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discussions today I'm certainly thinking

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of about a lot of different ways that we

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can try and get women interested in

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skepticism so if people you know want to

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be nice to your don't want to start

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argument where can I find you on Twitter

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they can follow me at lowes lolz well

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enjoy maadi looking for the rest of them

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where I was skipped account reading

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anyway Isley fantastic um it's great for

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skeptic am and can't wait to see it

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expand to other cities well I'll go

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start an argument with someone else

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someone else somewhere else okay

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we have some great stuff here I'm

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getting my geek on in an aeronautical

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kinda way with Robin Hilliard who has

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just given a talk that some people

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friend refreshing others found a little

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scary on well our fear of flying and all

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your questions answered about aerial

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safety well the bit that worried me is

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that there's a magazine with photos bits

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of airplanes of people find on the

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ground all over the world that seems a

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little bit alarming it used to be called

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aviation safety digest or in the in the

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industry called crash comics because it

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was always these stories about that i

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found the fascinating even as a teenager

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which is probably a bit more but but

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what it is its fastener is like it's a

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mystery it's it's it's a mystery it's

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basically seeing how a lot of very small

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things can line up to cause a real issue

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well I mean will you can even and

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situation like 911 itself would not have

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occurred as it had if everything hadn't

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fallen into place so you know well

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there's a thing called the Swiss cheese

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safety model which is where they

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basically talk about you have a whole

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lot of rotating Swiss cheeses it

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obviously requires very complicated

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equipment to set this up now holding the

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pieces of Swiss cheese and a revolver

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firing at the end and it's just when all

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the holes line up at you know at the at

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the way your company is run at the

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behavior of the pilot and what the

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weather was doing all of these things

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and when it all lines up that's when the

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bullet gets through and disaster happens

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and and the whole model that that the

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aggregation that surround Transport

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Safety below and all these other

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organizations around the world who are

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campaigning to improve safety they're

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all working on this thing and trying to

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eliminate all these tiny little things

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wit and that's where all the annoyance

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you know when you are even all of those

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little things that they ask you to do

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when you do your pre-flight briefing

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when you get on a plane you know I'm a

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pilot and I actually watch the

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pre-flight briefing every time I get on

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a plane because more people to know

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where the exit is because it's not the

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same on every plane and you're not

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sitting in the same place and and also

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because I know that my brain goes to

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Marsh in an emergency because every time

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my instructor pulled the throttle on me

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when I was learning to fly and said

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simulated engine failure I would know

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that if I hadn't practiced recently my

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checklist of things I would do I would

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be you know mushy and down to a thousand

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feet above the ground before I'd even

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managed to you know give my part give my

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passenger briefing and make my fake made

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a call and all those sort of things it's

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because we're human and you have to

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rehearse those things and

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all of those little things like keeping

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your feet on the floor and stuff they've

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saved lives people you know people's

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lives have been lost to learn that

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lesson and so that's what I want to ask

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him just probably not the right forum

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here but like it okay there's a brace

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position and there's the putting the

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head into the front and in various

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different crashes people have been

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killed if their heads down there so how

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do you know if you can put your head

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down or whether you should put it up and

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put it in the seat in front of you

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because they both potentially dangerous

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depending on what you run into or what

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angle you're at I suppose it's just what

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my understanding of it is that you're

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just trying to pretend a smaller target

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as possible for debris or flame or

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anything that happens and and the truth

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is that all there are a lot of there are

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a lot of crashes which are on the edge

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which are survivable it's not every

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crash is not you know and that they're

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incredibly rare these days every crash

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is not a completely unsurvivable crash

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there are lots of in-between ones the

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thing is I probably not as good news not

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as newsworthy as the one everyone walked

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away nothing to see here nothing

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happened to our plane landed and the

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slides deployed and everyone got off you

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know but you know but there have been

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some terrible accidents we're just very

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basic things like knowing how to

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evacuate the plane as cases were even in

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the last 20 years I think a plane landed

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and I don't know this is too much

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information but the plane landed they

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just forgot to evacuate the plane and

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the very small manageable fire that they

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had in the air spread and actually

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killed most of the people on the plane

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because I just forgot to evacuate it

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when i got to the ground what do you

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make of all the plane crash porn that's

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on telly and all the cable channels were

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got all these like the dramatizations of

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that do you think that's making people

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more aware it's making them feel safe or

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you think it's making some people feel a

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bit more nervous and they should about a

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regular flight I think it's the same

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thing as they do when with all the crime

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shows and stuff is it makes very good

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media and it's actually quite

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destructive I mean I know that the crime

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shows about you know everyone imagines

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at the moment they step outside their

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door they're going to be murdered and

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that's the same thing with the planes

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and it's it's it's just you know the the

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chances of things going wrong even in

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light planes are amazingly low and it's

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it's it's frustrating cuz it is but look

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I've actually what I do feel dirty every

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now then I watch one of them and I just

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feel the way it dwells on the there's a

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big difference between the reports I

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have in the magazine in my bag which are

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really which is the more the scientific

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sort of approach i suppose what we're

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saying what

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and how can we make sure it never ever

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happens again how can we learn from this

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versus the other ones which are sort of

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dwelling on the actors pretending to be

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the you know the the the mother of the

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you know the second coming of Christ

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with the five children from the

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orphanage and all this sort of stuff who

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didn't realize that she only had hours

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to live you know all this sort of stuff

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it's just I find that I can't imagine

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being a relative of I mean what would

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happen they started doing that with car

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crashes and it was the people any of

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your friends you know how would you feel

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about seeing seeing these sorts of

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things and would that in fact make the

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roads safer if they did yes would that

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would it would it make well i don't i

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don't know i mean we seem to be having

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some of these other actually I suppose

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there's a counterexample to that is

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we've seen some of those really shocked

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advertisement campaigns and a very good

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effect on road safety but I think the

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reason it's not the thing is there that

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people are drivers the people watching

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and our drivers and can do something

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about it and I suppose the magazine that

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I've got here is aimed at pilots and

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maintain errs and other people in

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working in the industry who can do

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something about it I suppose you know

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that is the thing that as a passenger

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and you're watching that what all the

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all it's doing is hitting all the

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buttons for you but there's not you know

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a lot that you would actually be able to

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do about that except except pay

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attention to the safety briefing which

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we always suggest you do to tell you the

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truth I have a terrible confession i

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watched the royal wedding last night and

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my excuse was that the Battle of Britain

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flight was doing the flyby so just to

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say well you know I wasn't interested in

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the balcony scene except for the fact

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that there were six merlin engines going

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overhead one in a hurricane want to spit

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fire and four in a Lancaster look what

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do you think of skeptic ampere well what

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do you think of the day and the

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skeptical situations are that have been

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played out in the rooms with you with

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including yourself what's what's the

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mood here I think it's I think it's

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really excellent I think people it's a

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different it's right it's different to

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Tam and the other sorts of sorts of

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things it's more laid back but I think

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it's something we can do more often and

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I think it's great to have a partner

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Ainge a spectrum from the pubs and the

541
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various drinking skeptically and things

542
00:20:07,460 --> 00:20:04,890
through the fantastic things like tam

543
00:20:08,870 --> 00:20:07,470
which is the fantastic experience or but

544
00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:08,880
this is this is something that we can

545
00:20:12,220 --> 00:20:10,410
pull off and I mean Jason and the other

546
00:20:14,860 --> 00:20:12,230
organizers have done a fantastic

547
00:20:18,460 --> 00:20:14,870
you know I think it's done a fantastic

548
00:20:21,700 --> 00:20:18,470
job and it wasn't I'm notnot to I'm not

549
00:20:23,740 --> 00:20:21,710
saying it wasn't a lot of a lot of work

550
00:20:25,570 --> 00:20:23,750
but it was no it's a sort of achievable

551
00:20:27,820 --> 00:20:25,580
work that people with day jobs and

552
00:20:29,530 --> 00:20:27,830
things can actually bring off and i

553
00:20:31,270 --> 00:20:29,540
think the mood here is great people are

554
00:20:33,220 --> 00:20:31,280
really enjoying it and it's the holes

555
00:20:37,780 --> 00:20:33,230
definitely greater than the sum of its

556
00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:37,790
sum of its parts now look it's all over

557
00:20:43,539 --> 00:20:40,690
the drinking is started how you feeling

558
00:20:45,460 --> 00:20:43,549
brilliant yeah yeah I've got drinking my

559
00:20:47,409 --> 00:20:45,470
hand so now I'm happy now everyone has

560
00:20:48,610 --> 00:20:47,419
learned something today you I think you

561
00:20:51,070 --> 00:20:48,620
yourself said that what have you learned

562
00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:51,080
today I've learned that it's really not

563
00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:52,730
that difficult to do a successful

564
00:20:58,000 --> 00:20:55,610
conference we've been having more

565
00:21:00,070 --> 00:20:58,010
corporate events doing ing you'll be

566
00:21:01,330 --> 00:21:00,080
organizing stuff from Malaysian airwaves

567
00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:01,340
I'm not quite convinced about the

568
00:21:04,690 --> 00:21:02,570
corporate side of things but they'll be

569
00:21:07,510 --> 00:21:04,700
certainly more skeptic amps cool that's

570
00:21:09,159 --> 00:21:07,520
great so roll on skeptic appt Melbourne

571
00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:09,169
is that a real possibility home has been

572
00:21:13,390 --> 00:21:11,210
committed to today so we got a date for

573
00:21:14,770 --> 00:21:13,400
skeptic MLB's money they want to do it

574
00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:14,780
in august or September but we'll update

575
00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:17,210
on the wiki close to the time Canberra

576
00:21:20,980 --> 00:21:19,730
have committed to it today as well so

577
00:21:23,289 --> 00:21:20,990
there'll be a Canberra one sometime

578
00:21:24,940 --> 00:21:23,299
later in the air I'd like to do Brisbane

579
00:21:27,580 --> 00:21:24,950
but I haven't found the right person yet

580
00:21:29,020 --> 00:21:27,590
but I'll do that soon well Adam and then

581
00:21:33,060 --> 00:21:29,030
next year will be another one of these

582
00:21:34,710 --> 00:21:33,070
skip decamp Empire oh yeah oh yeah

583
00:21:36,419 --> 00:21:34,720
now someone that you've probably heard

584
00:21:38,730 --> 00:21:36,429
on the skeptic zone is a postie Lindley

585
00:21:40,499 --> 00:21:38,740
and she's actually here how's how's

586
00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:40,509
things in the bottle shop world and the

587
00:21:44,279 --> 00:21:42,250
postal world of linleigh in Melbourne

588
00:21:46,019 --> 00:21:44,289
I'm actually going to be a pushbike

589
00:21:47,610 --> 00:21:46,029
postie soon they're going to take me off

590
00:21:49,740 --> 00:21:47,620
my motorbike ground finally and I'm

591
00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:49,750
going to get fit on a motorized push

592
00:21:53,279 --> 00:21:51,970
play how does that work in the posting

593
00:21:54,690 --> 00:21:53,289
world where you move to does that mean

594
00:21:56,490 --> 00:21:54,700
they want you to be fitter or you've got

595
00:21:58,289 --> 00:21:56,500
a shorter run why would you suddenly

596
00:21:59,669 --> 00:21:58,299
lose your bike to get a push bike well

597
00:22:02,460 --> 00:21:59,679
it's more something that I won't

598
00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:02,470
actually wanted to do it'll be quite

599
00:22:05,909 --> 00:22:04,570
good i want the exercise but now you've

600
00:22:07,769 --> 00:22:05,919
come all the way from Melbourne to

601
00:22:12,180 --> 00:22:07,779
Sydney for skip decamp what made you put

602
00:22:13,889 --> 00:22:12,190
in those kilometres to get here today to

603
00:22:17,970 --> 00:22:13,899
come up and have some fun to finally get

604
00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:17,980
out and with my new fellow yeah yeah you

605
00:22:20,369 --> 00:22:18,970
both look like you're having a bit of

606
00:22:22,710 --> 00:22:20,379
fun there he's a smart dressed man with

607
00:22:25,499 --> 00:22:22,720
a very good hat very a nice quite spunky

608
00:22:27,360 --> 00:22:25,509
underneath all yeah and that of course

609
00:22:30,090 --> 00:22:27,370
you're going off to the dc-3 gig tonight

610
00:22:32,070 --> 00:22:30,100
which is the guy from Scism Ian's band

611
00:22:33,419 --> 00:22:32,080
at the sandringham which is a very rare

612
00:22:35,039 --> 00:22:33,429
thing in Sydney and there's room is it

613
00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:35,049
like this could be the last gig just

614
00:22:38,789 --> 00:22:36,490
last time we'll ever see him in Sydney

615
00:22:41,900 --> 00:22:38,799
last gig of any Ben because I hear

616
00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:41,910
everything up here is like

617
00:22:47,190 --> 00:22:45,610
no Ben bars or something we're having a

618
00:22:48,930 --> 00:22:47,200
good drink here now yeah what was the

619
00:22:50,070 --> 00:22:48,940
one thing you learn today everyone's

620
00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:50,080
learnt something from there what's the

621
00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:51,250
one thing you learned from today at

622
00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:53,290
skeptic a minute sometimes I've got to

623
00:22:59,970 --> 00:22:55,210
shut my mouth and not say things that

624
00:23:01,650 --> 00:22:59,980
come straight out behave yourself did

625
00:23:03,780 --> 00:23:01,660
you say something in your hell down what

626
00:23:07,020 --> 00:23:03,790
happened no no no it was just something

627
00:23:08,460 --> 00:23:07,030
in the media don't speak to the media or

628
00:23:10,140 --> 00:23:08,470
a certain way you're worried about

629
00:23:13,530 --> 00:23:10,150
getting sued and nothing over the

630
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:13,540
forecast I did something that maybe not

631
00:23:17,790 --> 00:23:15,490
offended anyone there people are a

632
00:23:21,390 --> 00:23:17,800
little bit slow to the uptake of modern

633
00:23:23,130 --> 00:23:21,400
technology and these people are need to

634
00:23:25,740 --> 00:23:23,140
catch up but I've got to shut my mouth

635
00:23:26,730 --> 00:23:25,750
and not okay will grade them so I bet

636
00:23:28,590 --> 00:23:26,740
you're looking forward to skip the camp

637
00:23:31,230 --> 00:23:28,600
Melbourne I am too and where we've

638
00:23:35,700 --> 00:23:31,240
already got 150 dollars towards skip the

639
00:23:38,470 --> 00:23:35,710
camp Melvin or is it more $150 towards

640
00:23:41,799 --> 00:23:38,480
skeptic at Melbourne

641
00:23:43,270 --> 00:23:41,809
oh we've got four hundred fifty dollars

642
00:23:45,100 --> 00:23:43,280
towards skeptic and Melbourne which

643
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:45,110
should be probably this year hopefully

644
00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:46,970
well the diseased possi ly good luck

645
00:23:50,919 --> 00:23:48,850
with a peanut and I love you long time

646
00:23:53,830 --> 00:23:50,929
I'm just at the bar were they as

647
00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:53,840
seasoned talented am a talented amateur

648
00:23:57,549 --> 00:23:55,970
and professional drinker Richard now

649
00:23:59,740 --> 00:23:57,559
what did you make it today it was a

650
00:24:00,940 --> 00:23:59,750
great grassroots and was people talking

651
00:24:03,370 --> 00:24:00,950
for the first time that hadn't spoken

652
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:03,380
before a great success and I encourage

653
00:24:06,820 --> 00:24:04,730
anybody in the world it's think of

654
00:24:09,970 --> 00:24:06,830
holding a similar thing a skeptic camp

655
00:24:12,669 --> 00:24:09,980
one-day event of speakers excellent idea

656
00:24:14,010 --> 00:24:12,679
hmm now someone like yourself you've

657
00:24:16,330 --> 00:24:14,020
seen them you've been around the tracks

658
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:16,340
skeptically everyone saying that that

659
00:24:18,970 --> 00:24:17,690
they've learnt at least one thing today

660
00:24:21,909 --> 00:24:18,980
what have you learnt from the day from

661
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:21,919
skeptic am Richard Saunders anything

662
00:24:28,419 --> 00:24:26,210
yeah I learned that you can you can use

663
00:24:30,580 --> 00:24:28,429
Star Wars to talk about the Bible and

664
00:24:32,380 --> 00:24:30,590
the force and the remakes and the

665
00:24:34,090 --> 00:24:32,390
prequels and the sequels I thought that

666
00:24:35,710 --> 00:24:34,100
was quite funny wow that's good that was

667
00:24:37,299 --> 00:24:35,720
the that was the Bible according to

668
00:24:39,130 --> 00:24:37,309
George Lucas that correct yes that's

669
00:24:40,930 --> 00:24:39,140
right wow I'm sure I learnt many other

670
00:24:43,120 --> 00:24:40,940
things but I have to go home and just

671
00:24:44,350 --> 00:24:43,130
mull them over in my head well I'm going

672
00:24:45,940 --> 00:24:44,360
to stop recording now because I've just

673
00:24:47,650 --> 00:24:45,950
learned that by holding up the skeptic

674
00:24:49,060 --> 00:24:47,660
camp card you get free drinks I'm not

675
00:25:08,159 --> 00:24:49,070
that's going to run out real fast i'm

676
00:25:12,090 --> 00:25:10,379
hello everyone I'm Sasha Pixley and i'm

677
00:25:15,180 --> 00:25:12,100
here to talk to you about skeptical

678
00:25:17,909 --> 00:25:15,190
that's the 2011 northern california

679
00:25:20,549 --> 00:25:17,919
conference for science and skepticism it

680
00:25:22,710 --> 00:25:20,559
takes place sunday may 29th at the

681
00:25:24,149 --> 00:25:22,720
doubletree hotel in berkeley we're going

682
00:25:26,879 --> 00:25:24,159
to have some great speakers including

683
00:25:28,649 --> 00:25:26,889
dr. eugenie scott of the NCSE dr. Bob

684
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:28,659
Carol creator of the skeptics dictionary

685
00:25:32,999 --> 00:25:31,090
yau-man shan and mark edward from the

686
00:25:36,269 --> 00:25:33,009
skipped ologist seeeeee and many many

687
00:25:38,729 --> 00:25:36,279
more tickets are $45 or you can sign up

688
00:25:40,799 --> 00:25:38,739
with a t-shirt for sixty dollars for

689
00:25:55,109 --> 00:25:40,809
more information please visit the

690
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website w WS skeptical con o RG join us

691
00:26:07,150 --> 00:25:58,090
now for drinking skeptically in the

692
00:26:11,150 --> 00:26:09,680
anyone take his pants obvious just got

693
00:26:12,470 --> 00:26:11,160
that he's like ripped off shorts and use

694
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:12,480
a completely painted blue and he's

695
00:26:19,039 --> 00:26:16,290
following his wife around and that of

696
00:26:22,070 --> 00:26:19,049
course talking about people not taking

697
00:26:24,289 --> 00:26:22,080
their pants office can only be dr. HC

698
00:26:26,870 --> 00:26:24,299
hello dr. AG and welcome to the think

699
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:26,880
tank once again hi Richard things I was

700
00:26:31,250 --> 00:26:28,410
talking about the Blue Man Group but

701
00:26:34,390 --> 00:26:31,260
that's just don't worry about that well

702
00:26:38,299 --> 00:26:34,400
I will try not to and it's a big one

703
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:38,309
it's a big welcome to Jason Brown fresh

704
00:26:43,789 --> 00:26:41,850
fresh fresh from his success with a

705
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:43,799
skeptic am of success I'm glad you think

706
00:26:47,900 --> 00:26:45,210
is a success hello Richard how are you

707
00:26:49,340 --> 00:26:47,910
going I'm well I'm much better now is a

708
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:49,350
little under weather for a while but I'm

709
00:26:54,020 --> 00:26:52,410
back on deck no it was a great success I

710
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:54,030
think I all round people are commenting

711
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:55,770
that they thought it was quite

712
00:26:59,180 --> 00:26:57,090
successful it was fun to do it was

713
00:27:01,250 --> 00:26:59,190
really good fun to do I loved it yeah

714
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:01,260
every minute and missed a bit where I

715
00:27:06,830 --> 00:27:03,570
had beer well that was a good part and

716
00:27:08,750 --> 00:27:06,840
of course one of the reasons that we

717
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:08,760
know so much about skeptic camp was the

718
00:27:12,830 --> 00:27:11,250
great interviews brought to us by none

719
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:12,840
other than may not I want to thank

720
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:14,610
everyone who is happy to talk to me and

721
00:27:17,810 --> 00:27:16,410
I put out the challenges beginning of

722
00:27:19,940 --> 00:27:17,820
the episode that I was wearing my good

723
00:27:22,010 --> 00:27:19,950
underwear and no one was skeptical of

724
00:27:23,659 --> 00:27:22,020
that claim so I think a few of them are

725
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:23,669
letting themselves down I mean really

726
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:25,890
you demand evidence no one asked to see

727
00:27:31,220 --> 00:27:29,610
my own dear band nobody's what are you

728
00:27:34,010 --> 00:27:31,230
wearing tonight well net will now you

729
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:34,020
ask it's alright put the boy put them

730
00:27:37,669 --> 00:27:35,730
away I just like to say that on this day

731
00:27:39,890 --> 00:27:37,679
could little bit of a skeptics God the

732
00:27:41,930 --> 00:27:39,900
universe thing on this day it's rather

733
00:27:45,140 --> 00:27:41,940
close to when Douglas Adams passed on to

734
00:27:47,180 --> 00:27:45,150
another realm and also it's a injuries

735
00:27:48,830 --> 00:27:47,190
birthday if he injury was alive it would

736
00:27:51,260 --> 00:27:48,840
have been his birthday today as well

737
00:27:53,690 --> 00:27:51,270
human beings and hit me with your rhythm

738
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:53,700
stick that's correct and I recommend his

739
00:27:56,659 --> 00:27:55,410
laughter album a lot of people didn't

740
00:27:58,039 --> 00:27:56,669
like the laughter album because as a bit

741
00:27:59,900 --> 00:27:58,049
more of a commercial album but it's got

742
00:28:01,669 --> 00:27:59,910
Superman's big sister which I think was

743
00:28:03,919 --> 00:28:01,679
an underrated track by him i love that

744
00:28:07,100 --> 00:28:03,929
track have a skewer knowledge of bounds

745
00:28:08,750 --> 00:28:07,110
with Maynard now let me just cover a

746
00:28:09,660 --> 00:28:08,760
story which I found quite intriguing

747
00:28:12,050 --> 00:28:09,670
some

748
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:12,060
brought this to my attention a listener

749
00:28:16,590 --> 00:28:15,010
gonna hide I'm sorry if I pronounced

750
00:28:20,910 --> 00:28:16,600
your name incorrectly they're sent me

751
00:28:24,030 --> 00:28:20,920
the story of Italians flee Rome ahead of

752
00:28:25,710 --> 00:28:24,040
quake prophecy now apparently over the

753
00:28:28,110 --> 00:28:25,720
last few days a thousands of Italians

754
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:28,120
have been quite worried and fleeing the

755
00:28:34,650 --> 00:28:32,890
city of Rome because us of a possible

756
00:28:36,750 --> 00:28:34,660
prediction of an earthquake that was

757
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:36,760
supposed to strike Rome on the eleventh

758
00:28:43,170 --> 00:28:40,930
of May now the eleventh of Mayors come

759
00:28:46,230 --> 00:28:43,180
and gone and no earthquake struck room

760
00:28:48,770 --> 00:28:46,240
but I just heard on the news that two

761
00:28:52,290 --> 00:28:48,780
earthquakes struck southern Spain oh

762
00:28:54,270 --> 00:28:52,300
that's Rome is that southern solid angle

763
00:28:56,460 --> 00:28:54,280
them sort of that's close enough is

764
00:28:58,350 --> 00:28:56,470
enough European so this is this is this

765
00:29:00,630 --> 00:28:58,360
an example of science being wrong is a

766
00:29:02,730 --> 00:29:00,640
seismologist considered a scientist or

767
00:29:04,770 --> 00:29:02,740
as he considered like you know but the

768
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:04,780
back of the that like the Keitel records

769
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:06,490
selector of science well this this was a

770
00:29:11,340 --> 00:29:09,610
prophecy or interpreted as such by

771
00:29:13,970 --> 00:29:11,350
somebody who died in nineteen

772
00:29:17,070 --> 00:29:13,980
seventy-nine a a self-taught

773
00:29:20,100 --> 00:29:17,080
seismologist by the name of Raphael been

774
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:20,110
dandy predicted more apparently

775
00:29:25,890 --> 00:29:22,570
predicted of an earthquake although no

776
00:29:28,260 --> 00:29:25,900
date was exactly written anyway so hang

777
00:29:30,210 --> 00:29:28,270
on so he might have been a seismologist

778
00:29:32,070 --> 00:29:30,220
but he might not oh yes right he may

779
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:32,080
have predicted it on my 11 but not

780
00:29:37,860 --> 00:29:35,170
exactly where is the sauce this is AFP

781
00:29:39,990 --> 00:29:37,870
the sources AFP The Associated French

782
00:29:41,370 --> 00:29:40,000
press well apparently enough people in

783
00:29:43,020 --> 00:29:41,380
Rome were worried about it for it to

784
00:29:44,730 --> 00:29:43,030
make the news but they need not have

785
00:29:48,780 --> 00:29:44,740
worried and I hope they didn't seek

786
00:29:50,700 --> 00:29:48,790
refuge in southern Spain otherwise it

787
00:29:52,350 --> 00:29:50,710
would have been in BO nasty shock I

788
00:29:54,690 --> 00:29:52,360
think I think Carmen what are you doing

789
00:29:57,780 --> 00:29:54,700
on the 21st some a Jason I'm dying

790
00:30:01,290 --> 00:29:57,790
apparently are you doing to avoid dying

791
00:30:02,460 --> 00:30:01,300
oh oh well I actually dis an interesting

792
00:30:04,860 --> 00:30:02,470
point I was talking to someone online

793
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:04,870
today they've claimed that it's going to

794
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:07,570
start at Christmas Island and head west

795
00:30:12,030 --> 00:30:10,330
the rapture Lions the rapture line

796
00:30:13,590 --> 00:30:12,040
international Raptor Linus your West

797
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:13,600
it's gonna take ages to get here it's

798
00:30:17,220 --> 00:30:15,730
gonna take a good 24 hours or so but

799
00:30:19,650 --> 00:30:17,230
they also said that everybody will be

800
00:30:20,910 --> 00:30:19,660
dead by the end of that day but we're

801
00:30:22,770 --> 00:30:20,920
going to be in the next day so I think

802
00:30:25,890 --> 00:30:22,780
Australia is going to be fine Oh

803
00:30:28,410 --> 00:30:25,900
that's a relief a day so it's Christmas

804
00:30:30,780 --> 00:30:28,420
Island a day behind us just west of

805
00:30:33,450 --> 00:30:30,790
western australia ever so they're on the

806
00:30:35,730 --> 00:30:33,460
same day as us though no other they're

807
00:30:37,500 --> 00:30:35,740
on wa time I think if they're on Western

808
00:30:41,070 --> 00:30:37,510
Australia time there were in the same

809
00:30:42,630 --> 00:30:41,080
times I was to die on and in this whole

810
00:30:46,020 --> 00:30:42,640
Raptor thing at 20th century invention

811
00:30:51,090 --> 00:30:46,030
anyway I think so I think so but this

812
00:30:54,420 --> 00:30:51,100
isn't people deeply held belief but this

813
00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:54,430
is this this family radio outfit in the

814
00:30:59,250 --> 00:30:57,490
States was at the who I met one of them

815
00:31:01,800 --> 00:30:59,260
in the street about two months ago in

816
00:31:03,300 --> 00:31:01,810
Sydney handing out yeah and I've got at

817
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:03,310
home about the leaflet he was handing

818
00:31:06,270 --> 00:31:04,690
out saying you know this is at the end

819
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:06,280
of everything but about twenty first

820
00:31:10,140 --> 00:31:08,890
time I Wow and I said to him I said are

821
00:31:11,790 --> 00:31:10,150
you going to give me all your money said

822
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:11,800
I hi everyone says that to me and I well

823
00:31:17,970 --> 00:31:15,490
no wonder there's a woman in the States

824
00:31:19,590 --> 00:31:17,980
who sold a house and painted her car

825
00:31:21,030 --> 00:31:19,600
with warning things that you've been

826
00:31:22,890 --> 00:31:21,040
driving around the states trying to warn

827
00:31:24,390 --> 00:31:22,900
people she's gonna feel a bit of a goose

828
00:31:27,390 --> 00:31:24,400
she has a little so you gonna be living

829
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:27,400
in a car is the same rapture that Louis

830
00:31:30,420 --> 00:31:29,050
Theroux covered or as they won every

831
00:31:32,270 --> 00:31:30,430
second this is a difference there I'm

832
00:31:34,710 --> 00:31:32,280
sure they'd be very area on another boat

833
00:31:37,500 --> 00:31:34,720
right so when they have them all the

834
00:31:39,390 --> 00:31:37,510
time do they every couple of years

835
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:39,400
there'll be a cult or someone to say

836
00:31:49,350 --> 00:31:47,770
that you know this is the date that was

837
00:31:54,180 --> 00:31:49,360
that was it that was a very quick bus

838
00:31:58,580 --> 00:31:54,190
announcement would you finish it off

839
00:32:00,930 --> 00:31:58,590
always a big too soon yes look there

840
00:32:02,820 --> 00:32:00,940
james randi wrote about this you know

841
00:32:04,380 --> 00:32:02,830
there are hundreds of predictions of the

842
00:32:06,510 --> 00:32:04,390
world ending in the end

843
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:06,520
the god or gods coming a little book

844
00:32:09,810 --> 00:32:08,290
along the encyclopedia with paranormal

845
00:32:11,250 --> 00:32:09,820
by james randi that's in there yes an

846
00:32:15,270 --> 00:32:11,260
appendix at the back of hundreds of them

847
00:32:17,790 --> 00:32:15,280
yeah yeah so I'm not too concerned maino

848
00:32:19,980 --> 00:32:17,800
and on predictions a person has been on

849
00:32:21,150 --> 00:32:19,990
this show Jessica Adams claims that one

850
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:21,160
of her predictions has come true she

851
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:24,130
pursuers the astrologer yeah sushi

852
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:25,690
monster Shii particular online that

853
00:32:29,130 --> 00:32:27,490
there would be an amount of money given

854
00:32:31,190 --> 00:32:29,140
to Papua New Guinea as aid in the

855
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:31,200
Australian budget and that has occurred

856
00:32:36,990 --> 00:32:34,930
Wow who could have seen you think that

857
00:32:38,820 --> 00:32:37,000
killing who would have thunk she's also

858
00:32:40,290 --> 00:32:38,830
in an astrological chart for our douglas

859
00:32:42,330 --> 00:32:40,300
adams and she said that he shares a

860
00:32:44,250 --> 00:32:42,340
similar chart to Doctor Who now I'm

861
00:32:46,770 --> 00:32:44,260
assuming she did the chart for the TV

862
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:46,780
show as one for the Time Lord would be

863
00:32:52,050 --> 00:32:49,770
bearing actually wrote for you me

864
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:52,060
douglas adams wrote for i want to hang

865
00:32:56,820 --> 00:32:54,970
on but doctor he was born on Gallifrey

866
00:32:58,770 --> 00:32:56,830
is go to war year so what I saw that's

867
00:33:00,780 --> 00:32:58,780
why I'm hoping she did it for the

868
00:33:02,310 --> 00:33:00,790
Tickells if you were born on Gallifrey

869
00:33:04,770 --> 00:33:02,320
the stars would be completely different

870
00:33:06,810 --> 00:33:04,780
and also a year and also when he when he

871
00:33:11,070 --> 00:33:06,820
regenerates does is that the that count

872
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:11,080
as a rebirth yeah so that's prolly worth

873
00:33:14,370 --> 00:33:12,850
a look to for your fans of dr. acquiring

874
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:14,380
a mind and want to know let me quickly

875
00:33:19,140 --> 00:33:16,690
mention a website of interest to people

876
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:19,150
in Australia which is HTTP colon slash

877
00:33:30,060 --> 00:33:26,130
slash say community net a USC I Co mm UN

878
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:30,070
ity dot net a you and that's the website

879
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:33,130
sharing Australian science communication

880
00:33:40,830 --> 00:33:38,410
events worth checking oh I have a segue

881
00:33:42,660 --> 00:33:40,840
Richard whoa but you're riding around on

882
00:33:44,790 --> 00:33:42,670
all weekend don't know not that kind of

883
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:44,800
thing I is a tree that guy what fell off

884
00:33:48,510 --> 00:33:46,810
a cliff that's a wait yeah it's yeah

885
00:33:50,460 --> 00:33:48,520
I've ridden a Segway they're so easy

886
00:33:51,810 --> 00:33:50,470
have you yeah I'm never really a Segway

887
00:33:53,490 --> 00:33:51,820
it's basically I've seen them on

888
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:53,500
arrested development is easy as falling

889
00:33:58,080 --> 00:33:55,570
on her placement about yeah

890
00:34:00,650 --> 00:33:58,090
just my life I live my life through

891
00:34:02,910 --> 00:34:00,660
arrested development it's a coincidence

892
00:34:05,490 --> 00:34:02,920
anyway I would using one main I'd

893
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:05,500
mentioned the budget and we the budget

894
00:34:09,540 --> 00:34:07,690
was announced at seven-thirty p.m. on

895
00:34:12,300 --> 00:34:09,550
tuesday in australia this is the federal

896
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:12,310
economic out for the next to the three

897
00:34:17,220 --> 00:34:14,970
years yeah and we were worried that

898
00:34:18,930 --> 00:34:17,230
Australia would lose a lot of funding to

899
00:34:20,490 --> 00:34:18,940
medical research and as a result of that

900
00:34:23,090 --> 00:34:20,500
many Australians would know this but

901
00:34:25,020 --> 00:34:23,100
maybe our internationalists don't know

902
00:34:26,990 --> 00:34:25,030
scientists took to the streets and there

903
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:27,000
were rallies all across the country and

904
00:34:31,620 --> 00:34:29,770
we ran a bit campaign on Twitter called

905
00:34:34,050 --> 00:34:31,630
protect research and discoveries need

906
00:34:35,610 --> 00:34:34,060
dollars and we were very pleased on

907
00:34:37,110 --> 00:34:35,620
Tuesday that we actually got a four

908
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:37,120
point three percent increase in funding

909
00:34:41,690 --> 00:34:39,010
as opposed to four hundred million

910
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:41,700
dollars cut from fantastic yeah good

911
00:34:47,910 --> 00:34:45,970
budget as well yeah our own we'll have

912
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:47,920
some excellent sicom coming out sometime

913
00:34:51,870 --> 00:34:50,290
soon the only thing that that is now a

914
00:34:53,490 --> 00:34:51,880
bit of a concern we're very very happy

915
00:34:55,290 --> 00:34:53,500
with the way the campaign went but the

916
00:34:57,810 --> 00:34:55,300
synchrotron is now under threat in

917
00:35:00,420 --> 00:34:57,820
Victoria lots of state isn't it that in

918
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:00,430
Victoria well it kind of is but also the

919
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:01,450
federal government did apparently

920
00:35:05,700 --> 00:35:04,090
promise to give some money so a friend

921
00:35:07,830 --> 00:35:05,710
of mine suggested that maybe we just get

922
00:35:10,020 --> 00:35:07,840
some bogans to drive do some circle work

923
00:35:11,340 --> 00:35:10,030
in the car park when they kind of hit

924
00:35:12,810 --> 00:35:11,350
each other and bounce off each other

925
00:35:14,130 --> 00:35:12,820
that could be the equivalent of the

926
00:35:17,870 --> 00:35:14,140
synchrotron I don't know for those

927
00:35:20,700 --> 00:35:17,880
international listeners a bogan is is

928
00:35:22,980 --> 00:35:20,710
true trailer park trash would you say

929
00:35:25,500 --> 00:35:22,990
yeah ready okay it's a chav isn't it

930
00:35:27,150 --> 00:35:25,510
mature yeah chavs are a bit more urban

931
00:35:29,790 --> 00:35:27,160
than bouillon a bogans a bit more sort

932
00:35:32,070 --> 00:35:29,800
of thing regional are than urban what

933
00:35:33,690 --> 00:35:32,080
would you pull a boner city in the UK

934
00:35:35,730 --> 00:35:33,700
I'm not really sure don't think we have

935
00:35:38,310 --> 00:35:35,740
the equivalent it's sort of like a

936
00:35:41,340 --> 00:35:38,320
little britain that the character Sharon

937
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:41,350
isn't Vicki Vicki sorry the couch is

938
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:43,090
very urban she's very inner city let's

939
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:45,010
iboga not so much beauty there could be

940
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:47,170
a broken man maybe yeah something like

941
00:35:50,310 --> 00:35:48,610
that also there's been two billion

942
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:50,320
dollars given to mental health in

943
00:35:54,540 --> 00:35:52,930
Australia in this budget but pointed out

944
00:35:56,340 --> 00:35:54,550
by Tony Abbott the opposition leader or

945
00:35:58,110 --> 00:35:56,350
not I'd like I haven't investigated as

946
00:35:59,790 --> 00:35:58,120
myself he was claiming that the rebate

947
00:36:01,950 --> 00:35:59,800
that you get on Medicare for going to

948
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:01,960
the psychiatrist will either stay the

949
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:03,850
same or not get increased or go down so

950
00:36:06,870 --> 00:36:05,050
there is more money for mental health

951
00:36:07,990 --> 00:36:06,880
but if you go to the psychiatrist the

952
00:36:09,370 --> 00:36:08,000
men you've carried

953
00:36:10,990 --> 00:36:09,380
isn't as good so I'd like someone to

954
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:11,000
check that out is that research on this

955
00:36:16,510 --> 00:36:13,690
no I do dinner on Twitter today saying

956
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:16,520
that GPS are a bit annoyed about it

957
00:36:20,470 --> 00:36:18,530
because it's going to take some stuff

958
00:36:22,150 --> 00:36:20,480
away from your family practitioners and

959
00:36:24,220 --> 00:36:22,160
put it more into mental health units and

960
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:24,230
they're a bit annoyed but I haven't done

961
00:36:27,730 --> 00:36:25,610
the research so I'm going to bug out at

962
00:36:29,980 --> 00:36:27,740
this one is also quite annoyed about it

963
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:29,990
as well yeah now you were part of the

964
00:36:33,580 --> 00:36:31,490
campaign you actually took to the

965
00:36:36,340 --> 00:36:33,590
streets or to the park with banners dr.

966
00:36:38,050 --> 00:36:36,350
AJ execute what do scientists look when

967
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:38,060
they look like when they all protest in

968
00:36:41,230 --> 00:36:39,410
a group in the one place as a whole

969
00:36:42,700 --> 00:36:41,240
bunch of white coats and waving of

970
00:36:44,620 --> 00:36:42,710
things like you know like honestly the

971
00:36:46,540 --> 00:36:44,630
professor on The Simpsons it's in London

972
00:36:49,720 --> 00:36:46,550
it was just like that but with test

973
00:36:51,910 --> 00:36:49,730
tubes now we actually put down upper

974
00:36:55,350 --> 00:36:51,920
pets and our test tubes but we did March

975
00:36:58,300 --> 00:36:55,360
you know in our lab coats yep and we had

976
00:37:00,190 --> 00:36:58,310
big banners the theme was orange and

977
00:37:03,790 --> 00:37:00,200
blue which I think orange is a symbol of

978
00:37:06,310 --> 00:37:03,800
hope apparently or optimism I'm not

979
00:37:08,470 --> 00:37:06,320
exactly sure so yeah we had big sort of

980
00:37:09,970 --> 00:37:08,480
placards like he did you know in the 80s

981
00:37:11,980 --> 00:37:09,980
when you're marching against the Vietnam

982
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:11,990
War man that was his extincted made

983
00:37:17,590 --> 00:37:14,090
there so you left your run a bit late

984
00:37:19,210 --> 00:37:17,600
too much against Vietnamese it made the

985
00:37:21,430 --> 00:37:19,220
TV news though did it I look the

986
00:37:22,570 --> 00:37:21,440
coverage was huge and there's a couple

987
00:37:24,730 --> 00:37:22,580
of people that were really instrumental

988
00:37:27,510 --> 00:37:24,740
mostly they were from the white Walter

989
00:37:30,010 --> 00:37:27,520
and Eliza Hall Institute in Melbourne

990
00:37:31,720 --> 00:37:30,020
they sort of kicked it off and in Sydney

991
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:31,730
the garvan institute were the ones that

992
00:37:36,310 --> 00:37:34,370
I got in touch with but but what was

993
00:37:37,930 --> 00:37:36,320
interesting about it too was that the

994
00:37:40,390 --> 00:37:37,940
Twitterverse was really critical to the

995
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:40,400
success of this campaign first of all

996
00:37:43,990 --> 00:37:42,290
because when my director sent me an

997
00:37:45,790 --> 00:37:44,000
email one thursday night at nine o'clock

998
00:37:49,150 --> 00:37:45,800
at night and said can you organize a

999
00:37:50,860 --> 00:37:49,160
rally do you remember i Skyped you and I

1000
00:37:53,050 --> 00:37:50,870
swear my head's exploding that's not

1001
00:37:55,150 --> 00:37:53,060
going to happen I jumped onto Twitter

1002
00:37:57,910 --> 00:37:55,160
and said we want to do a rally in Sydney

1003
00:37:59,650 --> 00:37:57,920
who can help me do you I do I remember

1004
00:38:01,810 --> 00:37:59,660
that message going right yeah and

1005
00:38:04,450 --> 00:38:01,820
immediately I got people responding and

1006
00:38:08,050 --> 00:38:04,460
saying we're doing this will email you

1007
00:38:11,380 --> 00:38:08,060
tomorrow and then we also ran sort of

1008
00:38:13,720 --> 00:38:11,390
Twitter campaigns when the rallies were

1009
00:38:15,850 --> 00:38:13,730
running in different states in support

1010
00:38:17,050 --> 00:38:15,860
of the people walking if you weren't in

1011
00:38:18,990 --> 00:38:17,060
that state you would have a Twitter

1012
00:38:20,780 --> 00:38:19,000
campaign for an hour so we'd all tweet

1013
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:20,790
to em

1014
00:38:25,250 --> 00:38:23,130
pays or to julia gillard our prime

1015
00:38:27,500 --> 00:38:25,260
minister or to mark butler the guy who

1016
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:27,510
holds the health portfolio and they just

1017
00:38:33,020 --> 00:38:29,610
got so they got slammed with tweets and

1018
00:38:34,670 --> 00:38:33,030
with questions and and I really think

1019
00:38:36,500 --> 00:38:34,680
that critical to us collaborating

1020
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:36,510
through our Australia on this project

1021
00:38:42,170 --> 00:38:40,170
was Twitter absolutely yeah I in fact I

1022
00:38:44,630 --> 00:38:42,180
send out a Twitter just last week I said

1023
00:38:46,490 --> 00:38:44,640
do you think as a general thing I said

1024
00:38:48,050 --> 00:38:46,500
who thinks will still be using Twitter

1025
00:38:50,150 --> 00:38:48,060
in 10 years that occurred to me are we

1026
00:38:51,290 --> 00:38:50,160
still in you know ten years time are we

1027
00:38:52,700 --> 00:38:51,300
still going to be pouring over our

1028
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:52,710
devices looking at what people are

1029
00:38:55,700 --> 00:38:54,570
twittering all that be just something we

1030
00:38:58,910 --> 00:38:55,710
used to do and there'll be something

1031
00:39:00,830 --> 00:38:58,920
bigger and better I wanna reminds me of

1032
00:39:02,330 --> 00:39:00,840
that question of where's my jetpack you

1033
00:39:04,240 --> 00:39:02,340
know I don't actually think we're going

1034
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:04,250
to have anything different to Twitter

1035
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:06,570
because I think some of the responses

1036
00:39:09,590 --> 00:39:07,770
you got was people saying they'll be

1037
00:39:12,050 --> 00:39:09,600
microchips in our head and we'll try you

1038
00:39:13,310 --> 00:39:12,060
know different interface at that point

1039
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:13,320
you might still have the hundred and

1040
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:14,490
forty character thing going on we'll

1041
00:39:17,750 --> 00:39:16,170
just think it instead of typing any well

1042
00:39:19,370 --> 00:39:17,760
but well it will be it would there be

1043
00:39:20,810 --> 00:39:19,380
something which is so much better than

1044
00:39:23,660 --> 00:39:20,820
twitter twitter was just one of the

1045
00:39:25,370 --> 00:39:23,670
things we used to do well who knows can

1046
00:39:27,350 --> 00:39:25,380
predict that i can read that yeah but

1047
00:39:29,270 --> 00:39:27,360
will you would think that like video on

1048
00:39:31,250 --> 00:39:29,280
twitter hasn't really taken off like a

1049
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:31,260
short video messages to each other that

1050
00:39:35,990 --> 00:39:33,330
sort of thing audio things on Twitter

1051
00:39:37,700 --> 00:39:36,000
are there you can use them but but but

1052
00:39:38,930 --> 00:39:37,710
but people don't seem to click on them

1053
00:39:40,490 --> 00:39:38,940
as much people are happy just to read

1054
00:39:42,710 --> 00:39:40,500
the text and get on with it or not read

1055
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:42,720
the text even on facebook you put audio

1056
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:44,610
links and video links up on facebook

1057
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:46,650
people will like them without looking at

1058
00:39:50,690 --> 00:39:48,890
them often because people just can't be

1059
00:39:52,790 --> 00:39:50,700
asking for that is going to be the

1060
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:52,800
interface and how the clients handle

1061
00:39:59,120 --> 00:39:56,970
video and images and audio so hdf5 was

1062
00:40:01,750 --> 00:39:59,130
that would be bought by twitter if that

1063
00:40:03,860 --> 00:40:01,760
starts running video in the browser and

1064
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:03,870
sound in the browser i mean does to an

1065
00:40:08,210 --> 00:40:06,330
extent now but it has more universal

1066
00:40:09,740 --> 00:40:08,220
support then it'll be great and of

1067
00:40:13,340 --> 00:40:09,750
course skype has been bought by

1068
00:40:15,650 --> 00:40:13,350
microsoft I feel dirty I feel dirty it's

1069
00:40:20,470 --> 00:40:15,660
going to be a dear but Scott by

1070
00:40:22,910 --> 00:40:20,480
microphone as well no I the skype I

1071
00:40:25,930 --> 00:40:22,920
think the time for that now it told me

1072
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:25,940
about the skype issue good Heaven skype

1073
00:40:30,170 --> 00:40:28,650
skype to meet to me has been more

1074
00:40:31,359 --> 00:40:30,180
important over the years than twitter

1075
00:40:34,509 --> 00:40:31,369
yeah me too

1076
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:34,519
definitely yeah I don't know I don't

1077
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:36,650
have a small group whereas Twitter's you

1078
00:40:40,870 --> 00:40:38,450
know twitter us a bit of a broadcast and

1079
00:40:42,819 --> 00:40:40,880
a gathering in medium well I mean a lot

1080
00:40:45,489 --> 00:40:42,829
of the skeptic zone well I latte

1081
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:45,499
percentages done over over Skype what

1082
00:40:50,349 --> 00:40:47,450
time australia was organized over skype

1083
00:40:52,509 --> 00:40:50,359
it was it was of course dr. 'he that the

1084
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:52,519
five of us on the committee would meet

1085
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:54,170
week after week after week over skype

1086
00:40:57,789 --> 00:40:56,450
for hours when i was up to three three

1087
00:41:00,819 --> 00:40:57,799
and a half hours every wednesday night

1088
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:00,829
the sky media scope to know the panel's

1089
00:41:05,739 --> 00:41:02,930
the panel I was on with brian and those

1090
00:41:06,700 --> 00:41:05,749
guys we did that over skype initially to

1091
00:41:09,940 --> 00:41:06,710
sort out what we're going to talk about

1092
00:41:13,210 --> 00:41:09,950
I think I think SG you get together over

1093
00:41:15,579 --> 00:41:13,220
skype to do this so skype is bloody

1094
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:15,589
important and just officially this year

1095
00:41:18,999 --> 00:41:17,690
the ABCA started to use skype for some

1096
00:41:21,099 --> 00:41:19,009
of its recorded interviews with in the

1097
00:41:22,930 --> 00:41:21,109
ABC like we haven't used it before this

1098
00:41:24,370 --> 00:41:22,940
officially people have used it

1099
00:41:25,930 --> 00:41:24,380
unofficially but now the ABC is

1100
00:41:27,789 --> 00:41:25,940
sanctioned it and we were using it that

1101
00:41:29,589 --> 00:41:27,799
way as an alternative to phone lines but

1102
00:41:32,019 --> 00:41:29,599
not live we don't use it live because

1103
00:41:33,849 --> 00:41:32,029
it's not reliable no well that I can

1104
00:41:35,829 --> 00:41:33,859
understand that I don't know what that's

1105
00:41:38,229 --> 00:41:35,839
got to do with skepticism exactly but

1106
00:41:41,789 --> 00:41:38,239
skype is really important to us and I

1107
00:41:45,190 --> 00:41:41,799
just hope that Microsoft don't try to

1108
00:41:47,620 --> 00:41:45,200
fix something that's not broken well the

1109
00:41:49,509 --> 00:41:47,630
other thing is I use it on a mac so they

1110
00:41:51,509 --> 00:41:49,519
have said that they can continue to

1111
00:41:53,769 --> 00:41:51,519
support it on an Apple platform but

1112
00:41:56,289 --> 00:41:53,779
maybe they'll just put so many bugs in

1113
00:42:01,690 --> 00:41:56,299
it it won't work anymore who knows full

1114
00:42:04,660 --> 00:42:01,700
disclosure on imax microsoft is a most

1115
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:04,670
especially now one one person is not

1116
00:42:08,859 --> 00:42:05,930
going to be twittering anymore of course

1117
00:42:10,690 --> 00:42:08,869
as a sama bin Laden and i'm not going to

1118
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:10,700
talk about the conspiracy theories that

1119
00:42:16,150 --> 00:42:12,650
he is going to be treating you not seen

1120
00:42:19,210 --> 00:42:16,160
it what obama's ghost Osama's ghost

1121
00:42:24,410 --> 00:42:19,220
sorry really yeah yeah what is he saying

1122
00:42:30,260 --> 00:42:28,190
um did you see that facebook message he

1123
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:30,270
left as well well there's someone tagged

1124
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:33,690
at least at some what was it alarm about

1125
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:35,210
or whatever it was but I bought about

1126
00:42:41,240 --> 00:42:39,210
Nixon dude turn off the tag the one else

1127
00:42:43,820 --> 00:42:41,250
with it you can turn it off yourself man

1128
00:42:53,720 --> 00:42:43,830
untag me at them to see out see I I went

1129
00:42:57,620 --> 00:42:53,730
see you in a sec well who say's uh thank

1130
00:42:59,510 --> 00:42:57,630
you may not look sorry host an excellent

1131
00:43:03,740 --> 00:42:59,520
of course they were all as soon as he

1132
00:43:06,050 --> 00:43:03,750
was killed by the operatives and Baron

1133
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:06,060
see all the conspiracy theories came up

1134
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:07,770
pretty quickly which didn't surprise me

1135
00:43:11,630 --> 00:43:09,690
at all what has surprised me is that

1136
00:43:13,580 --> 00:43:11,640
they've all sort of done it away pretty

1137
00:43:15,350 --> 00:43:13,590
quickly I mean they were a flash in the

1138
00:43:16,970 --> 00:43:15,360
pan and now no one's still running

1139
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:16,980
around saying oh it's all a lie it's all

1140
00:43:22,010 --> 00:43:19,890
alive but they'll be simmering away now

1141
00:43:24,170 --> 00:43:22,020
this simmering away but but I think once

1142
00:43:27,140 --> 00:43:24,180
al Qaeda said yeah he's dead a lot of

1143
00:43:30,650 --> 00:43:27,150
the conspiracy theories sort of sat down

1144
00:43:32,570 --> 00:43:30,660
trust al Qaeda that's right over that I

1145
00:43:34,070 --> 00:43:32,580
trust al Qaeda but Maynard you were

1146
00:43:36,620 --> 00:43:34,080
telling me of something that I haven't

1147
00:43:39,740 --> 00:43:36,630
caught up yet caught up with the it cold

1148
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:39,750
what's us what's Oh summer watching

1149
00:43:44,810 --> 00:43:42,090
what's Osama bin watching what's

1150
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:44,820
O'Sullivan watching and what it is it's

1151
00:43:49,010 --> 00:43:46,770
it's the still of him having a look at

1152
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:49,020
one of these videos on TV I'm a little

1153
00:43:54,110 --> 00:43:51,570
13-inch TV and what they've done is it

1154
00:43:57,220 --> 00:43:54,120
is that replaced the existing TV program

1155
00:44:00,080 --> 00:43:57,230
with any YouTube URL you want to put in

1156
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:00,090
you can put whatever you whatever you

1157
00:44:03,890 --> 00:44:01,890
can get on YouTube you just you tag that

1158
00:44:05,570 --> 00:44:03,900
into what's Osama bin watching he can be

1159
00:44:07,190 --> 00:44:05,580
watching the skeptic zone doing a bit of

1160
00:44:09,140 --> 00:44:07,200
work on the powerbands you can be

1161
00:44:10,490 --> 00:44:09,150
watching anime nerd video of us at sexpo

1162
00:44:11,900 --> 00:44:10,500
he give you watching anything this it's

1163
00:44:13,940 --> 00:44:11,910
just a still of him with the remote but

1164
00:44:14,750 --> 00:44:13,950
it is pretty funny is it Merrill all

1165
00:44:18,980 --> 00:44:14,760
right you should be watching that

1166
00:44:20,540 --> 00:44:18,990
Merrill I speak about that the Merrill

1167
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:20,550
she's been a bit quiet lately hasn't she

1168
00:44:23,720 --> 00:44:22,050
doctor aging oh yeah because she's got a

1169
00:44:25,130 --> 00:44:23,730
court case on the seventeenth of May

1170
00:44:28,220 --> 00:44:25,140
hasn't she Justin

1171
00:44:29,809 --> 00:44:28,230
the rapture yeah yeah trouble at the

1172
00:44:32,059 --> 00:44:29,819
moment I don't really want to talk about

1173
00:44:34,789 --> 00:44:32,069
how look and speaking of the summer bin

1174
00:44:37,250 --> 00:44:34,799
Laden I spoke with the co-host of the no

1175
00:44:39,529 --> 00:44:37,260
agenda show adam curry this week for for

1176
00:44:41,059 --> 00:44:39,539
ABC radio and for Manor calm that are

1177
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:41,069
you and to come up on the skeptic zone

1178
00:44:44,390 --> 00:44:42,690
in the near future beauty of future and

1179
00:44:47,150 --> 00:44:44,400
I had him on specifically to speak about

1180
00:44:49,490 --> 00:44:47,160
the conspiracy well about what the sama

1181
00:44:51,349 --> 00:44:49,500
bin Laden's death means and even he said

1182
00:44:53,420 --> 00:44:51,359
look the why where and what of his death

1183
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:53,430
isn't important it's how it's used by

1184
00:44:56,870 --> 00:44:55,170
the government to scare people to be

1185
00:44:59,240 --> 00:44:56,880
used as a scare campaign to it because

1186
00:45:01,069 --> 00:44:59,250
he's very big against the the naked body

1187
00:45:03,559 --> 00:45:01,079
scanners that the TSA uses whenever you

1188
00:45:05,059 --> 00:45:03,569
go in out of America I'm going now do

1189
00:45:07,430 --> 00:45:05,069
you opt out or do you go through the

1190
00:45:09,650 --> 00:45:07,440
naked bodies or the naked one and I

1191
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:09,660
haven't been there since I've had them

1192
00:45:13,759 --> 00:45:11,970
actually that's right so you you might

1193
00:45:15,620 --> 00:45:13,769
be giving it up will you opt out all you

1194
00:45:18,170 --> 00:45:15,630
go through it oh I don't care so you

1195
00:45:20,390 --> 00:45:18,180
what you get touched up or or fatal

1196
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:20,400
radiation can be sent to toss a coin I

1197
00:45:23,930 --> 00:45:21,930
really don't know mate or cuz I'm still

1198
00:45:25,130 --> 00:45:23,940
alive you know okay well anyway yes so

1199
00:45:26,870 --> 00:45:25,140
you're gonna have a good giggle at me as

1200
00:45:28,279 --> 00:45:26,880
i go through i don't but if you opt out

1201
00:45:29,450 --> 00:45:28,289
that they might do an opt-out opt out

1202
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:29,460
and point you and that's worth it just

1203
00:45:33,410 --> 00:45:31,890
to do it but bidding like there's any

1204
00:45:34,490 --> 00:45:33,420
view with him on the ABC there so go

1205
00:45:37,249 --> 00:45:34,500
have a look at that it's easy to find

1206
00:45:39,079 --> 00:45:37,259
adam curry media assassin I don't get to

1207
00:45:41,809 --> 00:45:39,089
write that very often for the ABC and

1208
00:45:43,099 --> 00:45:41,819
would then also form a Soviet spy never

1209
00:45:45,230 --> 00:45:43,109
comes up very often in my writings

1210
00:45:46,460 --> 00:45:45,240
either so enjoy that please go and have

1211
00:45:49,309 --> 00:45:46,470
a look at that well coming up in the

1212
00:45:52,039 --> 00:45:49,319
near future growth dr. rich and i are

1213
00:45:55,789 --> 00:45:52,049
heading for town vegas dr. hu will be

1214
00:45:57,410 --> 00:45:55,799
there a good few days before i will i'm

1215
00:45:58,999 --> 00:45:57,420
flying in very quickly i'm going to be

1216
00:46:01,220 --> 00:45:59,009
flying in getting there on the friday of

1217
00:46:04,670 --> 00:46:01,230
town and leaving back to Sydney on the

1218
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:04,680
sunday so only two days in America the

1219
00:46:10,279 --> 00:46:07,410
reason for that is I will be working

1220
00:46:14,210 --> 00:46:10,289
with the Channel Seven Network here on a

1221
00:46:16,339 --> 00:46:14,220
show called the 1 series 2 of a show

1222
00:46:18,710 --> 00:46:16,349
that I was involved with it involved

1223
00:46:21,650 --> 00:46:18,720
with a few years ago where I'm going to

1224
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:21,660
be well basically being myself playing a

1225
00:46:27,349 --> 00:46:25,410
skeptical person on this TV show I i'll

1226
00:46:28,970 --> 00:46:27,359
try to give give you all more

1227
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:28,980
information about that as the months

1228
00:46:32,299 --> 00:46:30,930
progress but that's what I'm doing at

1229
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:32,309
the moment but Rachel you'll be there a

1230
00:46:34,810 --> 00:46:33,930
few days before me to suss out the

1231
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:34,820
crabby late

1232
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:36,170
situation well that's the only reason

1233
00:46:40,270 --> 00:46:37,850
I'm going to Vegas is for the krabby leg

1234
00:46:42,100 --> 00:46:40,280
situation but I do have something more

1235
00:46:46,420 --> 00:46:42,110
important to discuss than that it's

1236
00:46:48,430 --> 00:46:46,430
surely not if that's okay oh just a sec

1237
00:46:50,020 --> 00:46:48,440
I gotta find my breakfast well why you

1238
00:46:52,270 --> 00:46:50,030
just quickly looking for your references

1239
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:52,280
are job enemy our good old friend Joe

1240
00:46:56,230 --> 00:46:53,450
better move who can't be with us tonight

1241
00:46:58,390 --> 00:46:56,240
has asked me to remind our audience that

1242
00:47:01,690 --> 00:46:58,400
today the recording of this is the 11th

1243
00:47:04,180 --> 00:47:01,700
of me it is the 11th that is the 12th I

1244
00:47:07,210 --> 00:47:04,190
big ones the top of me it's

1245
00:47:10,150 --> 00:47:07,220
international nurses day and a big shout

1246
00:47:12,220 --> 00:47:10,160
out to yes some of the best nights

1247
00:47:14,020 --> 00:47:12,230
drinking I've ever had have been word

1248
00:47:16,330 --> 00:47:14,030
nurses I've got to say nurses like

1249
00:47:17,830 --> 00:47:16,340
doctors know how to party isn't it the

1250
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:17,840
start with a grouse hunting season two

1251
00:47:22,810 --> 00:47:19,490
is this glorious twelfth of May is

1252
00:47:25,210 --> 00:47:22,820
another grouse hunting season if you say

1253
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:25,220
so but look a big hello to all the

1254
00:47:29,410 --> 00:47:27,650
nurses listening to us the the backbone

1255
00:47:33,250 --> 00:47:29,420
of the medical industry if I can put it

1256
00:47:36,460 --> 00:47:33,260
that way you are appreciated and Joe

1257
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:36,470
Benna mu a you too congratulations on

1258
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:39,770
your fine work now dr. AG ok so this is

1259
00:47:42,970 --> 00:47:41,210
something that is actually quite big

1260
00:47:44,860 --> 00:47:42,980
news and I'm a little bit disappointed

1261
00:47:49,330 --> 00:47:44,870
that it hasn't been covered to a very

1262
00:47:51,580 --> 00:47:49,340
big e % in Australia our sort of medical

1263
00:47:53,550 --> 00:47:51,590
advice board is called the National

1264
00:47:56,380 --> 00:47:53,560
Health and Medical Research Council

1265
00:47:58,410 --> 00:47:56,390
NHMRC and they're kind of the equivalent

1266
00:48:01,870 --> 00:47:58,420
of the NIH in a sense that they advise

1267
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:01,880
the public and medical people about

1268
00:48:07,540 --> 00:48:04,570
what's good and bad in terms of drugs

1269
00:48:10,180 --> 00:48:07,550
last week they did something that is

1270
00:48:12,730 --> 00:48:10,190
unprecedented in this country and it

1271
00:48:15,430 --> 00:48:12,740
went under the radar and it really needs

1272
00:48:17,050 --> 00:48:15,440
to be made to get out there more because

1273
00:48:20,230 --> 00:48:17,060
they actually made released a draft

1274
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:20,240
statement on homeopathy this is the

1275
00:48:23,170 --> 00:48:22,130
first time they've ever the Australian

1276
00:48:25,060 --> 00:48:23,180
Government has ever made a statement

1277
00:48:28,270 --> 00:48:25,070
about homeopathy in this country and

1278
00:48:31,690 --> 00:48:28,280
basically to summarize it they said that

1279
00:48:34,300 --> 00:48:31,700
it is unethical in other words it

1280
00:48:37,030 --> 00:48:34,310
doesn't work and it is unethical to use

1281
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:37,040
it now

1282
00:48:41,650 --> 00:48:39,770
you there we know that no well no when

1283
00:48:43,870 --> 00:48:41,660
they say unethical unethical for a

1284
00:48:45,430 --> 00:48:43,880
registered doctor to you yes basically

1285
00:48:47,140 --> 00:48:45,440
yes for practitioner general

1286
00:48:49,180 --> 00:48:47,150
practitioners to prescribe it is

1287
00:48:51,610 --> 00:48:49,190
unethical because it doesn't work now

1288
00:48:55,090 --> 00:48:51,620
interestingly for our UK listeners they

1289
00:48:56,710 --> 00:48:55,100
based this on a couple of things but one

1290
00:48:58,180 --> 00:48:56,720
of them was the findings of the UK

1291
00:49:00,220 --> 00:48:58,190
Science and Technology Committee from

1292
00:49:02,770 --> 00:49:00,230
2010 so Marsh if you're listening

1293
00:49:06,010 --> 00:49:02,780
because I know Martians get this homage

1294
00:49:09,720 --> 00:49:06,020
how much they read through that report

1295
00:49:12,190 --> 00:49:09,730
and they took that on board they also

1296
00:49:13,750 --> 00:49:12,200
considered a couple of recent deaths in

1297
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:13,760
Australia where homeopathy has been

1298
00:49:17,980 --> 00:49:16,130
implicated one is Penelope Dingle who

1299
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:17,990
died from untreated bowel cancer and

1300
00:49:22,210 --> 00:49:20,450
glorious am a nine month old baby who

1301
00:49:24,190 --> 00:49:22,220
died from septicemia as a result of

1302
00:49:25,630 --> 00:49:24,200
severe eczema who she was treated with

1303
00:49:28,690 --> 00:49:25,640
homeopathy instead of conventional

1304
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:28,700
medicine and in addition they also cited

1305
00:49:32,530 --> 00:49:31,010
the fact that there seems to be a lot of

1306
00:49:34,180 --> 00:49:32,540
stuff going around the internets these

1307
00:49:36,430 --> 00:49:34,190
days saying that you can use homeopathy

1308
00:49:40,330 --> 00:49:36,440
to vaccinate your children which I know

1309
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:40,340
is something tell me yeah I'm currently

1310
00:49:46,900 --> 00:49:42,770
reviewing a DVD I have reviewed a DVD

1311
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:46,910
from homeopathy plus which goes into it

1312
00:49:54,700 --> 00:49:50,930
leaves nothing to to debate it is saying

1313
00:49:57,970 --> 00:49:54,710
use magic sugar pills to immunize it's

1314
00:50:00,360 --> 00:49:57,980
it's just unbelievable well this is a

1315
00:50:03,580 --> 00:50:00,370
draft statement and as a result of that

1316
00:50:06,250 --> 00:50:03,590
I blogged about it because it's not for

1317
00:50:09,460 --> 00:50:06,260
general release so I can't put it up

1318
00:50:11,100 --> 00:50:09,470
anywhere for people to see but i

1319
00:50:13,750 --> 00:50:11,110
received it through a couple of sources

1320
00:50:15,430 --> 00:50:13,760
the energy no mercy are going to consult

1321
00:50:16,810 --> 00:50:15,440
several bodies before they make a final

1322
00:50:18,370 --> 00:50:16,820
decision about this statement one of

1323
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:18,380
them is the TGA the Therapeutic Goods

1324
00:50:24,070 --> 00:50:21,770
Administration one is the UK government

1325
00:50:26,170 --> 00:50:24,080
there particularly the Science and

1326
00:50:28,900 --> 00:50:26,180
Technology Committee one is the consumer

1327
00:50:31,510 --> 00:50:28,910
health forum which is a consumer group

1328
00:50:33,550 --> 00:50:31,520
set up to talk to patients and consumers

1329
00:50:36,730 --> 00:50:33,560
so consumers will be consulted about

1330
00:50:38,740 --> 00:50:36,740
this but I think what's really important

1331
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:38,750
to remember is that one of the

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00:50:44,410 --> 00:50:41,570
criticisms that this

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00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:44,420
incurred in the UK when they were when

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00:50:48,700 --> 00:50:45,410
the UK's Science and Technology

1335
00:50:50,260 --> 00:50:48,710
Committee report first came out was

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00:50:52,630 --> 00:50:50,270
people got up in arms and said it's

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00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:52,640
going to be banned now that's not what

1338
00:50:56,940 --> 00:50:54,530
this is about it's not about homeopathy

1339
00:50:59,230 --> 00:50:56,950
being banned yeah it's actually about

1340
00:51:01,030 --> 00:50:59,240
the australian government finally

1341
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:01,040
standing up and making a clear and

1342
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:03,050
concise statement that it doesn't work

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00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:05,090
and it's not a medicine now the

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00:51:08,890 --> 00:51:07,010
implications for this if this goes

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00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:08,900
through are potentially huge first of

1346
00:51:14,980 --> 00:51:11,450
all the australian government spends

1347
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:14,990
three billion dollars a year on refunds

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00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:18,290
to private health funds health fund

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00:51:22,540 --> 00:51:20,690
rebates now if you go to a doctor and

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00:51:24,190 --> 00:51:22,550
they prescribe you with homeopathy there

1351
00:51:27,250 --> 00:51:24,200
for taxpayers are paying for homeopathy

1352
00:51:29,110 --> 00:51:27,260
so inadvertently we're paying so we're

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00:51:31,240 --> 00:51:29,120
paying for an unethical placebo that

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00:51:33,100 --> 00:51:31,250
doesn't work so there will be pressure

1355
00:51:36,570 --> 00:51:33,110
on the health funds to stop funding it

1356
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:36,580
in there extras the other thing that is

1357
00:51:41,530 --> 00:51:39,170
important is potentially and this is

1358
00:51:42,970 --> 00:51:41,540
just my speculation hopefully it will

1359
00:51:45,790 --> 00:51:42,980
lead on to the fact that it's no longer

1360
00:51:47,110 --> 00:51:45,800
sold in pharmacies well will not be

1361
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:47,120
great would I be growing players

1362
00:51:51,670 --> 00:51:49,130
officially that it's unethical and

1363
00:51:54,340 --> 00:51:51,680
doesn't work how can pharmacists

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00:51:56,290 --> 00:51:54,350
continue to sell it on the shelves they

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00:51:58,180 --> 00:51:56,300
can but we will do everything in our

1366
00:52:00,100 --> 00:51:58,190
power to shame them and make them stop

1367
00:52:01,540 --> 00:52:00,110
this is why I'm really disappointed that

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00:52:05,380 --> 00:52:01,550
this story just got swept under the

1369
00:52:06,820 --> 00:52:05,390
carpet because I know the journalists

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00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:06,830
who wrote about it initially and I know

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00:52:10,150 --> 00:52:08,570
he sent it to a lot of other people and

1372
00:52:11,590 --> 00:52:10,160
they just weren't interested and I've

1373
00:52:12,940 --> 00:52:11,600
blogged about it so you can look at the

1374
00:52:14,890 --> 00:52:12,950
skeptics book if you want to see more

1375
00:52:17,140 --> 00:52:14,900
information but it's actually a

1376
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:17,150
potentially a huge story in this country

1377
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:19,610
that's kind of been missed so I'm trying

1378
00:52:22,990 --> 00:52:21,170
to get it out there as much as i can so

1379
00:52:24,850 --> 00:52:23,000
people can what should people do reach

1380
00:52:28,030 --> 00:52:24,860
you to find out more apart from go to

1381
00:52:29,470 --> 00:52:28,040
your blog well go to my blog that's all

1382
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:29,480
i can tell you at the moment because the

1383
00:52:34,450 --> 00:52:32,210
original stories behind a paywall yes

1384
00:52:36,010 --> 00:52:34,460
you can't read the original story the

1385
00:52:37,720 --> 00:52:36,020
actual statement itself is not for

1386
00:52:39,820 --> 00:52:37,730
circulation so i can't send you that

1387
00:52:42,310 --> 00:52:39,830
either that this is probably a good

1388
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:42,320
reason why no one's heard about it yeah

1389
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:43,850
but the journalist who got the original

1390
00:52:47,530 --> 00:52:46,010
leak he sent it to a lot of other jurors

1391
00:52:50,620 --> 00:52:47,540
who didn't follow it up but I think if

1392
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:50,630
you're in Australia perhaps the best

1393
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:52,010
thing you can do is just keep an eye out

1394
00:52:58,010 --> 00:52:52,770
for it

1395
00:53:00,080 --> 00:52:58,020
if you I mean I can give people tips as

1396
00:53:01,970 --> 00:53:00,090
to whether it's being discussed anywhere

1397
00:53:04,310 --> 00:53:01,980
if you ever see that the consumer health

1398
00:53:05,930 --> 00:53:04,320
forum is asking patients do they want

1399
00:53:07,790 --> 00:53:05,940
that sort of stuff that's going to be

1400
00:53:09,830 --> 00:53:07,800
the influence that will decide whether

1401
00:53:11,060 --> 00:53:09,840
it becomes an official statement so I

1402
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:11,070
guess the only thing I can say right now

1403
00:53:14,540 --> 00:53:12,810
is just keep looking at my blog and

1404
00:53:17,510 --> 00:53:14,550
listen to the zone all right we shall

1405
00:53:20,060 --> 00:53:17,520
link to that blog post dr. AG in the

1406
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:20,070
free newsletter that goes out Dave

1407
00:53:26,660 --> 00:53:24,810
people go to ww skeptics on TV and sign

1408
00:53:28,490 --> 00:53:26,670
in you can every week get the free

1409
00:53:31,610 --> 00:53:28,500
newsletter which accompanies the skeptic

1410
00:53:33,860 --> 00:53:31,620
zone so that's very interesting story

1411
00:53:35,390 --> 00:53:33,870
really interesting story and I'm really

1412
00:53:37,550 --> 00:53:35,400
keen to follow an upsell keep our

1413
00:53:40,790 --> 00:53:37,560
listeners in the loop that's excellent

1414
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:40,800
now before we go Maynard here's an

1415
00:53:45,590 --> 00:53:42,330
interesting story that you brought to my

1416
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:45,600
attention from a beehive well that's

1417
00:53:49,340 --> 00:53:47,370
right and I believe that there's some

1418
00:53:52,190 --> 00:53:49,350
other members at this table of our had a

1419
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:52,200
rid of it as well it's claimed that

1420
00:53:56,690 --> 00:53:55,050
mobile phones are damaging bees quite

1421
00:53:58,100 --> 00:53:56,700
seriously a Swedish study that looks

1422
00:54:00,110 --> 00:53:58,110
like it was done about a year ago and

1423
00:54:02,450 --> 00:54:00,120
I've done some with Swiss the same

1424
00:54:03,380 --> 00:54:02,460
Switzerland ah Switzerland all right

1425
00:54:05,270 --> 00:54:03,390
well that's the other country that

1426
00:54:06,890 --> 00:54:05,280
starts with SW I knew it wasn't a

1427
00:54:10,490 --> 00:54:06,900
swaziland they're not called that

1428
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:10,500
anymore um and add that the sample size

1429
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:12,570
was extremely small and the details were

1430
00:54:18,110 --> 00:54:15,450
extremely shonky so what happened in

1431
00:54:20,510 --> 00:54:18,120
sketchy details but sometime last year

1432
00:54:23,290 --> 00:54:20,520
researcher got for be housed together

1433
00:54:26,390 --> 00:54:23,300
and put some mobile phones in them and

1434
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:26,400
ran the mobile phones called them that

1435
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:28,410
can mean you mean he gave them a buzz it

1436
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:32,010
gives them a buzz oh how do you reset it

1437
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:36,090
but basically the UM the hives in which

1438
00:54:40,670 --> 00:54:39,090
there were phones he collapsed which is

1439
00:54:42,620 --> 00:54:40,680
not physically collapsed but the

1440
00:54:44,990 --> 00:54:42,630
populations of bees collapsed which was

1441
00:54:46,790 --> 00:54:45,000
kind of terrible they just couldn't take

1442
00:54:49,190 --> 00:54:46,800
the buzzy anymore hey yeah they buzzed

1443
00:54:52,990 --> 00:54:49,200
off it was though no a quick sound

1444
00:55:01,600 --> 00:54:53,000
effects whoopsie so which the up

1445
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:01,610
I said first up I feel dirty what's the

1446
00:55:06,670 --> 00:55:04,330
upshot of this well the upshot is that

1447
00:55:08,350 --> 00:55:06,680
the blog post looks like it's a

1448
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:08,360
legitimate research when you look at it

1449
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:09,890
a bit further not only have you got the

1450
00:55:13,900 --> 00:55:12,290
wrong country like I had bit you also

1451
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:13,910
you didn't see the sample size and you

1452
00:55:17,620 --> 00:55:15,050
didn't see exactly what they were doing

1453
00:55:19,720 --> 00:55:17,630
so I think it falls in the the new

1454
00:55:21,130 --> 00:55:19,730
scientific news without any looking

1455
00:55:23,170 --> 00:55:21,140
further it's actually shonky or not and

1456
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:23,180
its way shonky it does but I think we

1457
00:55:25,420 --> 00:55:24,290
should be concerned that I think

1458
00:55:27,010 --> 00:55:25,430
Vodafone should be having a little

1459
00:55:30,340 --> 00:55:27,020
checkbox on their application forms now

1460
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:30,350
saying are you Abby yes or no and if

1461
00:55:34,780 --> 00:55:31,610
there are be don't give him the phone

1462
00:55:38,830 --> 00:55:34,790
it's that simple and it makes strange

1463
00:55:41,350 --> 00:55:38,840
sort of sense to me not much else does

1464
00:55:43,210 --> 00:55:41,360
but that does green and just say thank

1465
00:55:45,580 --> 00:55:43,220
you dude Alice now before we go Richard

1466
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:45,590
I'm John Campbell who is on Twitter as

1467
00:55:53,350 --> 00:55:51,170
NH 0 j j0 hn oh yes of course yeah

1468
00:55:57,670 --> 00:55:53,360
that's the worst twitter handle John

1469
00:55:59,790 --> 00:55:57,680
ever he sent me some slippers this way

1470
00:56:03,190 --> 00:55:59,800
some slippers yeah that have sheep

1471
00:56:05,730 --> 00:56:03,200
foreheads but like sheep what actually

1472
00:56:08,650 --> 00:56:05,740
made out of actual sheet no the Rams

1473
00:56:11,410 --> 00:56:08,660
slippers and they're just made of all

1474
00:56:13,180 --> 00:56:11,420
Rams the whole own people yes yes yeah

1475
00:56:16,300 --> 00:56:13,190
you've got a pair of sheepy slippers

1476
00:56:18,010 --> 00:56:16,310
black Rams shaping slippers look like so

1477
00:56:20,140 --> 00:56:18,020
could someone send me I preferably

1478
00:56:25,079 --> 00:56:20,150
something in its shell I'm a big rocket

1479
00:56:32,469 --> 00:56:30,849
this time that I bet yeah but that's

1480
00:56:34,599 --> 00:56:32,479
keeping your feet warm in this cold

1481
00:56:37,809 --> 00:56:34,609
isn't it the last few days freezing cold

1482
00:56:40,150 --> 00:56:37,819
freezing cold sunny well while we run to

1483
00:56:42,609 --> 00:56:40,160
the bar for our final warming drink I'd

1484
00:56:47,140 --> 00:56:42,619
like a Rachel's founder sound effects

1485
00:56:53,650 --> 00:56:47,150
are all hope is lost well you're exactly

1486
00:56:55,539 --> 00:56:53,660
what we're under the buck idea I'd like

1487
00:56:58,630 --> 00:56:55,549
to say thank you very much to Jason

1488
00:57:00,910 --> 00:56:58,640
Brown for sharing our think tank table

1489
00:57:04,479 --> 00:57:00,920
tonight thank you thank you and thank

1490
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:04,489
you to dr. rachy for not doing too many

1491
00:57:09,989 --> 00:57:06,650
sound effects tonight thanks Richard I'm

1492
00:57:13,089 --> 00:57:09,999
not going to do it now cuz he just one

1493
00:57:15,489 --> 00:57:13,099
she had to and of course thank you too

1494
00:57:19,089 --> 00:57:15,499
may not who you can follow on Twitter

1495
00:57:22,599 --> 00:57:19,099
folks oh yes at Maynard dot-com of the

1496
00:57:24,219 --> 00:57:22,609
Maynard com au group com that I you

1497
00:57:25,719 --> 00:57:24,229
without the dot in it and check out the

1498
00:57:27,789 --> 00:57:25,729
adam curry interview because even if

1499
00:57:29,289 --> 00:57:27,799
you're not on his side of the fence is a

1500
00:57:35,019 --> 00:57:29,299
very interesting character and i'll

1501
00:57:38,979 --> 00:57:35,029
leave you with this last sample I see

1502
00:57:41,950 --> 00:57:38,989
Thank You Maynard not think you may not

1503
00:57:44,019 --> 00:57:41,960
come but may not come out it's like are

1504
00:57:45,940 --> 00:57:44,029
you may not kind of got a girl on this

1505
00:57:48,430 --> 00:57:45,950
as well and write me something all your

1506
00:57:51,700 --> 00:57:48,440
drinking I I feel good let's get back to

1507
00:57:52,959 --> 00:57:51,710
eat cheese everybody ours I wish to be

1508
00:58:05,040 --> 00:57:52,969
known from now on is the lactose

1509
00:58:09,819 --> 00:58:07,660
either everybody my name is chris brown

1510
00:58:11,710 --> 00:58:09,829
you see I've got a problem I've got this

1511
00:58:14,319 --> 00:58:11,720
really cool podcast called meet the

1512
00:58:16,180 --> 00:58:14,329
skeptics where I basically call up all

1513
00:58:18,190 --> 00:58:16,190
those great critical thinkers and

1514
00:58:21,010 --> 00:58:18,200
skeptics and people like James Randi

1515
00:58:23,859 --> 00:58:21,020
George Crom J novella Brian Dunning both

1516
00:58:26,319 --> 00:58:23,869
Derek and swoopy Eugenie Scott Richard

1517
00:58:28,150 --> 00:58:26,329
Saunders and so many more the enemies

1518
00:58:31,329 --> 00:58:28,160
are even a perfect length an average

1519
00:58:33,430 --> 00:58:31,339
between 30 and 45 minutes just right for

1520
00:58:35,349 --> 00:58:33,440
an average commute to work but I just

1521
00:58:37,599 --> 00:58:35,359
don't know how to get the word out so do

1522
00:58:39,849 --> 00:58:37,609
me a favor everybody go to iTunes listen

1523
00:58:41,589 --> 00:58:39,859
to meet the skeptics you'll find some

1524
00:58:43,150 --> 00:58:41,599
great interviews on there learn some

1525
00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:43,160
things you probably never knew about and

1526
00:58:48,099 --> 00:58:45,650
if you have any ideas for how i can get

1527
00:58:50,140 --> 00:58:48,109
the word out and advertise the podcast

1528
00:58:53,170 --> 00:58:50,150
just let me know you can write me at

1529
00:58:55,690 --> 00:58:53,180
meet the skeptics @ aol.com or follow me

1530
00:58:57,069 --> 00:58:55,700
on twitter at meet the skeptics thanks

1531
00:59:07,640 --> 00:58:57,079
for listening I hope to hear from you

1532
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:10,140
thank you for listening to the skeptic

1533
00:59:16,470 --> 00:59:13,210
zone and as ever a big thank you to

1534
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:16,480
those people who do chip in with only

1535
00:59:21,870 --> 00:59:18,730
less than a dollar a week and it helps

1536
00:59:24,180 --> 00:59:21,880
us keep the show ticking over my

1537
00:59:26,430 --> 00:59:24,190
heartfelt thanks to you and to those

1538
00:59:29,070 --> 00:59:26,440
very generous people who chip in a bit

1539
00:59:31,590 --> 00:59:29,080
more than that every now and then thank

1540
00:59:33,420 --> 00:59:31,600
you very much I'm so glad that you enjoy

1541
00:59:36,180 --> 00:59:33,430
the show and the team are very glad you

1542
00:59:40,170 --> 00:59:36,190
enjoy the show too well next week's show

1543
00:59:42,180 --> 00:59:40,180
is a bit of a mystery I'll have to

1544
00:59:44,250 --> 00:59:42,190
consult a few psychics and look at the

1545
00:59:46,530 --> 00:59:44,260
crystal balls and the tarot cards and

1546
00:59:49,170 --> 00:59:46,540
maybe a numerologist might be old to

1547
00:59:51,690 --> 00:59:49,180
tell me what's coming up on next week's

1548
00:59:54,150 --> 00:59:51,700
show I think it's probably Maynard with

1549
00:59:56,070 --> 00:59:54,160
another fabulous interview maybe a

1550
00:59:58,940 --> 00:59:56,080
doctor a cheese in there somewhere who

1551
01:00:04,050 --> 00:59:58,950
knows who knows who can see the future

1552
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:04,060
not me but until that episode which what

1553
01:00:08,210 --> 01:00:05,890
may be the last episode if the world

1554
01:00:16,170 --> 01:00:08,220
comes to an end this is Richard Saunders

1555
01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:16,180
signing off from Sydney Australia you've

1556
01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:19,570
been listening to the skeptic zone visit

1557
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:24,130
our website at www skeptics on TV for